QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:16): Well, what you're talking about, Senator McKenzie, strikes me as a good COP. That is a COP where Australia's interest is represented— Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie! Senator AYRES: because it's in our interests to see, in a measurable way, a plan to reduce emissions.

The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong? Senator Wong: Point of order on the persistent and very loud interjections from Senator McKenzie. The PRESIDENT: Thank you.

I was going to inform Senator McKenzie that she was being louder than the minister, which is quite a feat. I would ask you not to interject any further, because I want to hear the answer. Minister Ayres, please continue.

Senator AYRES: I will take that as a personal challenge, President. The PRESIDENT: No, please don't. Senator AYRES: That's a good COP, where our interests are represented.

I'll tell you what a bad COP is. A bad COP is what Mr Morrison did last time in his mysterious trip to Glasgow, with almost a hundred people clustered around him, pandering to his every whim. He spent half his time in the United Kingdom on a family history holiday, utterly self-indulgent.

These costs will be determined in the normal way. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, second supplementary?