QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Senator THORPE (Victoria—Independent VIC Whip) (14:33): Why can't you do things like tie funding to actual progress and set minimum standards around cops and jails in this country— Senator Shoebridge interjecting— Senator THORPE: Stop it; I'm speaking—given that state and territory governments will not protect our people's rights? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I'll wait for order.

Senator THORPE: Don't you speak over me. Pull him up, Greens—pull him up! The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe!

I will manage the chamber, and I've asked those people to come to order. Minister McCarthy.