QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:37): That's not the case. ORIC has been at the table with the families. That process that took place in August 2025 is as a result of ORIC being involved, and the fact that $15,000 in fines were placed against the corporation.

So, the essence of that question is not entirely correct. ORIC has been involved. The families know that ORIC has been involved.

Staff in the National Indigenous Australians Agency have been working very closely with all of the families to keep them across this. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, a second supplementary?