QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Senator KOVACIC (New South Wales) (14:14): Before Premier Chris Minns stepped in, the Prime Minister began his answer by saying, 'I've talked to you today. I've talked to you today. I've used my hands,' before changing tack.

Was the Prime Minister seriously trying to explain away the very deliberate and obvious gestures he made in the podcast as simply the normal use of his hands in a conversation? The PRESIDENT: Order! I'm waiting for order across the chamber.

Order, Senator Cash and Senator Ayres.