Interactive Gambling Amendment (Gambling Reform) Bill 2026, National Self-exclusion Register (Cost Recovery Levy) Amendment Bill 2026, Interactive Gambling (Cost Recovery Levy) Bill 2026

Senator DAVID POCOCK (Australian Capital Territory—Independent ACT Whip) (19:07): Why would you allow the gambling companies to help develop the risk indicators? Surely, you're going to the experts? Senator Chisholm: That's not what I said.

Senator DAVID POCOCK: You just said that you were sure that they probably would be involved in the consultation. The TEMPORARY CHAIR: Order, senators. Please make sure you go through the chair in terms of your remarks.

Senator DAVID POCOCK: So the government's going to develop risk indicators to flag customers, and they're going to talk to the industry, which is currently meant to be flagging customers with risk indicators but just isn't doing it because they don't have to because we have a useless, ineffective, under-resourced regulator in the NT with no full-time staff. And the Albanese government thinks this is just cool and normal.

Of course, you'd get the gambling companies to come up with the risk indicators, because they're the experts! They're the experts in gambling harm. They're the ones who have been denying and then delaying and then influencing Prime Minister Albanese.

I'm keen to get to some of the questions about where he's getting information in a bit. Consultation means that they have a seat at the table. It means that you are literally developing risk indicators with the very industry that you're trying to protect those people from.

How are we meant to accept that you're serious about this, if this is what you're telling us you're going to do with risk indicators?